
Answers In Genesis (AIG) recently posted an article by Tim Challies entitled: “What Kind of God Would Condemn People to Eternal Torment?” His article is a bold defense of the traditional view of hell as a place of endless, conscious torment for nonbelievers. It is so bold as to claim that one cannot believe in a good, holy God without believing that God will torture evildoers endlessly after death.
First, full disclosure: I am a long-time fan of AIG. I commend their efforts to be Biblically-based, and to scientifically expose the lie of godless macro-evolution. I have supported their Creation Museum and admire their work to build a life-size model of Noah’s Ark.
AIG, Challies, and I are on the same team, with the same goals. We all want to help people understand the world through Scripture, since that is the best way to follow Christ by faith. Once people understand the truth and authenticity of the Bible, they see a God who loves them so much that He sent Jesus to die to offer them eternal life. We all desperately want to see people receive this message.
What makes Challies’ article so tragic is how hard it works against our shared goals. The false doctrine taught and the arguments used to defend it may be more effective in turning nonbelievers away from the Bible than the secular humanists AIG constantly challenges.
Two key messages in the article work tragically together: an assault on the character of God, and a rejection of the message of Genesis. I know that neither AIG nor Challies wants to assault God’s character or deny Genesis, but the blindness caused by their unbiblical tradition has produced this outcome nonetheless.
Assaulting God’s Character
The article’s sidebar contains this bold assault on God’s character: “If you want a God who is good—truly good—and if you want a God who is just and holy, then you must have this God, this God who condemns people to suffer the eternal torments of hell.”
The good, just, and holy God of the Bible did not create a place of endless conscious torment. If He would have done that, He would be neither good, nor just, nor holy, by His own definition of each of these ideas in Scripture. Our free e-book and the resources shared on this site go into detail about the Bible’s definition of goodness, justice, and holiness. In summary: the goodness of God is shown in His love, which gives everything to save the lost. Justice is shown in the many references to punishing “according to their deeds,” not according to God’s infiniteness. The holiness of God is shown in the price He was willing to pay to make a way for people to be free from their evil choices through the sacrifice of Jesus.
In his latest book, Hell: A Final Word, Edward Fudge tries to help us feel what God must feel when we assault His character by telling the world that He is going to torture people endlessly in hell. In his chapter “Tough Minds and Tender Hearts,” Fudge writes:
Suppose you hired a babysitter for your evening out. You learn later that she told your children that you said you would punish any misbehavior by putting staples in their fingers, cutting off their ears, then stuffing them into the microwave oven until they popped. And suppose your children were young enough that such nonsense made them question and distrust your parental love.
If you are like me, there would be no words strong enough to describe your feelings in response. Yet the babysitter’s misrepresentation is nothing by comparison with the slander against God, if everlasting torment is not true.
When we tell the world that God will torture them endlessly for not following Him, we drive them away, and we work against the God who loves them by insulting His good character.
Denying the Message of Genesis
The ultimate irony of the AIG article is how it so dramatically it ignores the clear teaching of Genesis. It does this by re-defining “death” as “endless conscious torment” in hell.
Three specific sections of Genesis show what the end of evildoers will be. First, as I detail in my last article, death is defined in Genesis 3:19 as “returning to dust.” Second, Genesis 7:21-23 tells us that after the Flood, every living thing “died,” “perished,” and was “blotted out.” In 2 Peter 3:5-7, Peter confirms that the ungodly will be “destroyed” in the same manner, except instead of water, God will use fire. So the fire that God uses “destroys the ungodly,” meaning they are “blotted out.”
The most compelling case in Genesis comes from the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah. In Genesis 19:15-24, the fire and brimstone that rained on those cities was “punishment,” caused them to be “swept away,” “overthrown” and “destroyed”. An analysis of the Hebrew shows that none of these terms mean “endless conscious torment.” They mean destruction—completely and totally gone.
Jude interprets the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah for us, in case we don’t see it clearly in Genesis. In Jude 7, he writes: “just as Sodom and Gomorrah … are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.” This is the definition of “punishment of eternal fire”: Sodom and Gomorrah are gone forever. Never to return. Eternally. Are they still burning? Certainly not. However, the “punishment of eternal fire” is clearly evident in the fact that they are gone.
The Challenge
To my brothers and sisters at AIG: you rightly admonish people daily to take Genesis seriously, to change their minds and believe the truth of God’s word. Will you? Will you, against centuries of man’s tradition, look deeply into Genesis, beyond the influences of Plato and other Greek philosophies, and actually read the plain words of Scripture? Will you do what you daily ask your audience to do?
Or, will you hold on to the traditional view of endless conscious torment even though it maligns God’s character, conflicts with Genesis and the rest of Scripture, and keeps people from the truth and a relationship with God?
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Christ paid the price.Whoever believes in him will not be condemned .Regards
Another evidence in Genesis is when God prevented access to the tree of life. Because if man was allowed to live forever in an evil state, then there would have been the necessity of a hell. It was God’s mercy that insisted man would die rather than live forever.
This is a good point: God’s mercy causes evil to be destroyed, and not to continue forever to expand the influence of that evil. The Bible does teach that there is a hell (Matt. 10:28), and that evil is completely destroyed there. The effects of hell last forever–all evil will cease to exist, never to return. Our e-book, Fudge’s resources, and many other great writings exist to help us understand the Bible’s teaching on these things.
It’s not an assault on God’s character. Paul established God’s character in the middle of Romans 9: God sees us as objects, many he created for target practice, to impress others with how patient he can be waiting for his skeets to come out of the kiln before also impressing others with how good he is at destroying them. If a skeet asks what it did to deserve being lined up to be shot into everlasting punishment, God replies that it is found guilty of being a sinful skeet.
When the skeet tearfully asks why it was created with defective clay that made it unable to not be sinful, Paul attacks:
“who are you, stupid object, to talk back to God? Doesn’t God have the right to hold you responsible? Just because your sinful urges have always been greater than your willpower doesn’t mean you weren’t obligated to be perfect. Whatever he does is right!”
God can take your sinful nature he had you born with, wait for it to do what it does, and then sentence you to death for it.
The Bible already declares him an unjust tyrant. The Bible also indocates he doesn’t love his enemies, because he doesn’t extend his love to entice them into what is right and good, not work to enflame a secret, rebellious craving for love and peace that he didn’t plant in us, but hardens us in out natural evil, and gives our only out as a religion that is reduced to nothing but a book of lost dreams.
Undying worm, unquenshed fire, weeping and gnashing of teeth if you don’t fight an uphill battle against how God made you.
How is infinitely torturing his toys any much a stretch after this?
He broke his promise to love and protect his chosen people using semantics “not all of Israel are Israel” and sentenced them to Holocaust. What promises can you trust if not all things in a promise are things in a promise? He sent his son to take a nap for 2 nights and 1 day and called that a sacrifice to atone by a rule he made up. That’s like putting my wallet in your pocket for three seconds, taking it back, and then praising myself for giving you all my money.
That’s God’s character even without being infinitely sadistic. You have a long way to go.
Hi Gordon,
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughtful response to this post. You obviously care deeply for this subject, and I respect you and your desire to understand.
If things were as you say they are, then your conclusions are right on target. And unfortunately, many teachers interpret Romans 9 as you describe with your “skeet” analogy. Those teachers will be held accountable for the pain they’ve caused people like you (James 3:1).
I’m sure you recognize, since you’ve been studying these things for a while, that you, yourself, are making theological claims. Your interpretation is based on your theological presuppositions. That’s fine, we all have them. But yours are leading you to a dark place. And I’d say, they’re leading you away from the truth.
Are you open to considering that your interpretation may be off? What you’re asking others to do, are you willing to do as well?
If so, I want to encourage you to read a book I found super-helpful on this subject: Greg Boyd’s God of the Possible. If you’re willing to go on from there, consider God at War.
Once you’ve considered these alternative — and I’d say much more Biblical — theologies, let’s talk again. In fact, if you’re near Tennessee, maybe we could connect in person, or via Zoom. Let me know what you’re up for.